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Kaybek

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Texas Prepper Founder
District 13
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I'm curious what your thoughts are on this and would appreciate any thoughts you have and are willing to share on this.

Do you believe we're at a tipping point? Past it? This is some kind of a joke?
Does anything you've read affect how you're prepping already?
Do you think this is all completely overblown and just sensationalism? Why? Why not?
 

JKlay13

Member
District 13
Well, considering how complex this issue is and all the factors going into it I’ll try to keep my answer short. I don’t think we’re headed for a civil war with (semi) clear dividing lines like our first one. Not with the diversity of our cities and states, and the Internet. But we are definitely in my opinion headed for the collapse of our current system. The issues of class, race, global warming, the likelihood of future pandemics, and the globalization of these issues means (to me) a civil war is just a matter of time and the least of our problems.
 

Oldoilfield14 D5

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District 5
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I don’t think there will be a civil war. But I do think things will get worse before it’s gets better. If the electoral college were abolished 45 states wouldn’t matter at all in a presidential election
 

Hikerwife

Well-known member
District 4
This was interesting and I've been thinking about it the past few days. I particularly found interesting the term "cold Civil war" which I agree this has been happening. I look at this differently as I grew up in a small town out west and it is definitely a red county. Very conservative, very small town minded. And let me be clear I don't think there is anything wrong with that whatsoever. But then I moved to DFW for college and suddenly i found myself in a very liberal area. The liberal people in the city have no idea of the troubles and the mind set of the people from small towns....and vice versa. People in cities need to remember where they came from as most in cities either came from small towns themselves or their parents or grandparents did. I think the advent of social media has been horrible for us. People have forgotten how to converse civilly with each other, there is no respect and we often do not want to hear the other side. I mean why listen to the other side when they are screaming at you? People are horrible to each other online, typing out things they would never dare utter in person. There has been such a disconnect in our society, I don't know if it can be repaired. I hope it can but right now I don't hold out much hope. I don't know if we have reached the apex yet, but if all this continues I'm worried it could happen soon. Yes, this has bumped up my prepping quite a bit. I have become not worried about pandemic prep, but social upheaval prep. I'm not Liberal completely and I'm not conservative completely. And it worries me that all of the moderate middle people have disappeared. I don't want to be fully red or blue - i want to take the best of both sides but I feel like we are being forced to be for one side or the other and I think that's dangerous and when we start talking about Civil War.
 

Texan D13/7

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District 13
District 7
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Some relatively young far lefties with middle rank power/positions wanted more power, so they lied to some and paid others to become their brown shirts (army), the older higher ranking less lefties didn't understand what was happening and/or were not willing to do what was necessary to keep power (Kerensky).
The brown shirts/aggressive twitter crows now strike terror in all who come to there attention. The war currently is lefties vs farther lefties. They are really ignoring those on the politicial right currently. It is after the election win or lose that they begin attacking those on the right. They are at the bolshevik vs menshevik stage currently.
 

Kaybek

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Texas Prepper Founder
District 13
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I am not a US Citizen, I can't vote here. I've seen a lot of the world, have lived in many countries (Zambia, South Africa, Scotland, England, and USA). This is my take, as someone who is not even a US Citizen, and how I see things. It doesn't mean I'm right, I could be completely wrong, but it's my perspective.

I believe we're already in a civil war. There aren't soldiers marching around, no armies gunning each other down. It's important to note that guns and shooting isn't what makes something a civil war. Civil wars start long before shooting starts. Politics starts wars, guns and violence end them. I doubt anyone can disagree there, but I certainly welcome your thoughts if you disagree.

Where I see us now is that the US is rooted in some form of inability to peacefully transition power. A large portion of the country can't even agree on who won elections. That's basically the issue here. As long as you can dislike your "opponent" but still respect and accept election results - you still have a country. When you stop accepting election results, when in fact people make it their daily mission to undermine and obstruct, you have a countdown to a civil war. Many may think I'm talking about Trump here. In not at all. In fact, no Republican presidential winner has been recognized by Democrats as being a legitimate winner. For Bush, back in 2000, it was the Supreme Court that "gave the election" to him. The same with Trump and the debunked "Russian Collusion" - there continues to be an insistence that he didn't win and that he's not legitimate.

What happens if Trump wins in November? Do you honestly think his opposition are just going to accept that? I certainly don't.

What if Trump loses? Do you think we go back to being a happy and friendly country where everyone gets along and people can have open and civil discourse. I know for a fact there are many people who are afraid to speak their mind for fear of being labeled by those pushing identity politics as being racist, sexist, bigoted, a Nazi, or whatever. The wide spread consensus I see is that many would rather say nothing and and avoid that confrontation.

In regards to the type of civil war, it very much seems like Supersessionist to me - at least as how it's defined in the article above. The country very much appears to have two mutually exclusive views of how the country should be run and neither seems possible of existing with, let alone respecting, the other. Heck, you can't even find a basic agreement on whether or not the US is even a good country.
 

JKlay13

Member
District 13
I’m not Liberal completely and I'm not conservative completely. And it worries me that all of the moderate middle people have disappeared. I don't want to be fully red or blue - i want to take the best of both sides but I feel like we are being forced to be for one side or the other and I think that's dangerous and when we start talking about Civil War.

That’s the problem with having a two party system. There’s zero representation for most of us, and no one to break the stalemates.
 

cloudryder

Well-known member
District 5
What you may see as a weakness, I see as it's core strength. A two-party system means you have to pick a side. Which adds strength to those, in these days, who know right from wrong. I live my life by a few philosophies, which has helped me immeasurably.
It's never wrong to do the right thing.
Doing the right thing may be hard...but it ain't complicated.
 

Slightly Feral

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Texas Prepper Founder
District 13
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The entire reason behind preparedness is so you can opt out of SHTF. You dont have to participate in riots, starving, looting and the likes.
 

cloudryder

Well-known member
District 5
Instead of tectonic plates, I see things as two buck deer fighting over a doe (the USA) with their horns locked together... LOL
 

cloudryder

Well-known member
District 5

I'm curious what your thoughts are on this and would appreciate any thoughts you have and are willing to share on this.

Do you believe we're at a tipping point? Past it? This is some kind of a joke?
Does anything you've read affect how you're prepping already?
Do you think this is all completely overblown and just sensationalism? Why? Why not?
Another take away from the article is the first sentence.
"It’s obvious to all, at this point, that factional division is reaching a breaking point in America. " Terms like "obvious to all, factional division, and reaching a breaking point," are used to generate a chicken little response in readers. IS the sky really falling, or is the author trying to pull the wool over your eyes? Many people reading this WILL have a knee-jerk response, and come away with dire forebodings for the future of America. Keep in mind that the liberal media WILL try to provoke these feelings in the readership. It's a variation of the old rule, if it bleeds, it leads. It's not uncommon for the liberal media to spray red all over an article to get people to read that article. When I read things like this, I take a good dose of common sense before doing so.
 
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